ARENA douce with Afshar FATHER TRAUFFER The tolerance dancing with Dschihadreligion continues
09/25/2006 Benedict was right and does back down, and none of the European political leaders stood before him and behind the meaning of his speech against the Muslim mob, whose representative he now receives, so that the devastating price of Assisi, has opened with the predecessor of the tolerance dance with Islam is not corrected. The dhimmi European elites do not mind confrontation with Islam.
What is currently happening in discussions to Pope's speech in the media, is a macabre chorus of dhimmis who cower before Islam and spit against the speaker of Regensburg. distance, called "differentiation" is the key.
The sycophants on the front line against the critics who are to justify the freedom of speech, as if there is to justify anything. Duckmäusertum the triumphs and the stupidity escalates in the TV rounds. Left-Green rags grinning characters take the floor for the views dictatorship. It is the hour of collaborators. protest
instead against the violence of the Moslemmobs, who confirmed the statements of Regensburg reflex, is a brainless media pack going to the speakers from Regensburg, as if the lecture was the scandal and not the reactions to it, which demonstrate the Gewaltträchtigkeit of Islam ceaselessly.
political proletarian rant against a lecture that they have not read; SP-floor men clamor against the islamkritischeren learned theologians in the Vatican and discover for their love of the Koran kisser Wojtyla; upstarts the left hand swing as Ströbele the Bible to every Speech by the violence of the real existing Islam to silence. The left-fascist mob accosted on demos ind Germany together with Hamas against Israel and has Ströbele, boom. You only have seen the grinning face of this ignorant of history at Phoenix, when the Islamic barbarities, such as the murders at the critical journalists in Algeria have been something mentioned, la gauche au visage barbarie. There are now not only the rights that the Democrats put the fear, it is the Left alliance with Islamofascism. If you like the day before the historian Baring in a TV talk directly addresses the issue and expresses what threatens Europe, the waves of talking shops immediately over together.
Alleged reconnaissance closed on democratic march against the fundamental rights to freedom of speech and freedom of speech and are furious over a single citation to Islam, during the orgies of violence, terror, Islamic religion are not even up for discussion. The new Fascism raises its head shamelessly. They crawl to the cross, the collaborators and accomplices of the religious dictatorship.
Pope scolding is now called the left sport with a heart for Wojtyla, the death squads of Allah remain completely unscathed by the Medienempörung, and Mordwut of Moslemmobs, which has an alliance against the freedom of speech in Europe furious totalitarian left, as oh so understandable reaction to the "provocation" the dhimmis to the heart is placed. The "reaction" to the Pope's speech in the west part to a fascination with violence and a willingness to surrender, which drives the spiral of Islamic terror. It is the hour of character rags.
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Not all of Benedict in the rain. Incidentally, it was a Swiss Federal Council, which explained what Benedict had said was right and necessary.
A courageous word of Couchepin, not seen in the EU. (Except for Barroso, the cowardice called the € Olympic leaders as disappointing.)
In the diocese of Basel, the Pope's speech was protected, at least not excuse worthy, from the vicar general of the diocese, Roland Trauffer, he said in an interview that the Pope should be no excuse, because there was no guilt. In view of the left smearsheet BaZ, Ramadan institution that is already bold. Although it sounds a lot more defensive as the only correct statement by Federal Councillor Pascal Couchepin. Where are we living in! In the realm of Stallhin? A mentally something simply left knitted journalist from Baz format, the theologian Sonja Hasler wanted to Trauffer then in an interview on Swiss television partout to admit that the Pope had gone too far and drgl. Heartfelt Bieder, has gone down well with people who it is not quite understandable that in the West such a thing as freedom of speech there, and that the impositions of a "culture", answered the criticism by force, can not be answered with excuses. Trauffer was not sure pure, but pulled himself not explain this to the Pope and the Emperor of Byzantium, but have had absolutely right. Sonja Hasler presupposed seems that all the world had to distance himself from Manuel II and to follow John Paul.
the west can also Christians who think that Islam is peaceful, even criticize the pope, without to set fire to churches. The interviewer seemed to be but did not like that the speaker has not revoked his speech at the request of rampaging Muslims. She held your relevant questions to Trauffer well for "critical". As much as a prelude to
discussion in the "Arena" SF v. 22.09.2006
Father Trauffer While defending the demokratischr less freedom, not just a church specialty, but the right of the pope, not to have to apologize for something that was not at fault. That was true of course. Trauffer said here certainly less in the categories of freedom than the sin argued, are not present in this case.
What if someone something "disrespectful" has said against Islam in the West? Does he have to apologize then? The cartoons were a debt? The Pope's views is not unseen, but where he is right, as with the manual quotation in Regensburg, he's right. This is wrong not the Pope.
Arena Afshar - culture war consensus on Swiss occurred in the confrontational political broadcast ARENA on Swiss television last Friday, 09.22.2006, representatives of parties and religions, to be dealt with under this pope talk to each other:
Roland Trauffer , Vicar General of the diocese of Basel, and Farhad Afshar
, President of the Islamic Society of Switzerland
, the historian Mörgeli (the amusing comments in the world week to the dogmas of the left religious beliefs of the leftists push open as acidic as the Muslims, the cartoons of the Prophet, laughter forbidden) and an exponent just left this school of thought censorship of the Green Josef Lang, also called Joe. (The same old story in the SF discussion with Prof. Schulze terror, the latter also being courted by the NZZ as Islam expert - as in the SF call with editors of NZZ 23.9.2006, where it Schulze, who looks like Dracula on vacation when the specialist is required for the Muslim sense of all those who wallow in these Islamic "feelings" just above)
to Arena. First of all: the beginning clearest position compared with the reaction from the kingdom of Allah on the speech of Pope was referring to the historian Mörgeli. The most bitter reaction to the criticism of Islam came from the green side, which einschoss with Joe Lang once more on the violence in the history of the church to present the Threat to Europe through the left Solidarbrüder the Islamofascists to distract. Lang & co do not know of the Islamic violence, they only know a Christian, although that is not rooted in the Gospel as the Muslim in the Qur'an, and prefer to stay in the Crusades as if they were like Muslims in the 13th Century stuck. Since knowledge of history are left with as little as in Islam, it's quite possible that as early as the 13th Century life.
Mörgeli wondered about the double standards of the Left, but understood no irony and no fun with religion, like their brothers in Allah.
prompt appeared on an Islamic scholar, a
Ilfete Faney
who said Mörgeli have no idea about Islam. know For every historian in the West must, if he only mentioned a few long bestbelegte facts about past and present of the Islamic culture from which we know not just the study of the history of Islam as they do - before Western scientists had they explored, the Muslims their own story as good as unknown, the knowledge was limited in practice on the statements of Allah, when the colonial masters came - ". no idea about Islam," he added, especially when someone has not Koran knowledge of which has the average Muslim in the West do not know, then take him of the club with the full force of the Ilfete Argumentationslosigkeit, which forbids discrimination in terms of facts and logic, criticism of Islam, which threatens his critics murderous. AplogetInnen Ilfete like these are already outraged that the historian who dared to do even more to know about Islam, which can know only the Koran schools. From which spring from these educated Taliban. Also, the burning of girls schools in the countries of the Islamic knowledge to mention is only for people like Mrs. Ilfete been a sacrilege.
So now think of no one, perhaps the Buddha statues by Afghanistan, turned quickly to Mr. Afshar and spoke with a gentle voice gekreideter, all religions are expected in Switzerland to build their temples, Buddhists should that only the Muslims should not. Yes
what may that be because the Muslims are permitted to distribute no Buddhists in Switzerland as in the Far East and their temples not to light. Depends perhaps to the fact that the Muslims are no Indonesian Christians and Buddhists? on Now a well Trauffer, the Afshar has understood very well: The church would also apply as a monolithic, they have it but can integrate here. The Muslims would have to arrange just so with the Swiss conditions.
As pastor Grice from Grisons (>
the cross of the church with democracy
) was not present, was the question which what all the church has to find so here and how far she probably hopes that Islam improved this unfortunate situation, not discussed. Trauffer first time was on the side of democracy. The Muslims have to adapt too. (What happens if they have adapted in such sufficient numbers that they no longer have to adapt, that is not here the full-length theme). Trauffer know, however, that "questions of faith not a matter of democracy". (This fits somehow to the beautiful set in front of the Houses of Parliament at the Demo 2006: Religion is for democracy.)
questions of faith certainly does not believe policy issues very well. The Trinity is not a democratically elected body, But if the distribution of dioceses or church tax money belongs to the religious questions remain open. Trauffer said: If the Muslims have adapted to Swiss conditions, then he would say to them: "Your community has a right to live their faith here."
Sounds demokatisch somehow, right? So say the man who is best to know what it means to be able to survive the plague in Europe. Unfortunately in this arena, no one asked what a belief in the Koran and Sharia or should be because you want to live here. What is it about the CEO of the diocese of Basel? In order to definitive adaptation of this monolithic religious group the local democratic pluralistic legal relations or to the future living the Schariaregelen belonging to the Islamic faith, known as the Mass Church.
A man came from the EVP (Evangelical People's Party) to the microphone and announced that here we have a problem between Christians and Muslims. Meant was the minaret. The EPP-man knew how to solve the problem by not talking more about it.
"Instead of minarets to fight, you should ..." What? The sharia ban? Not so: ". Be prepared to talk"
example: "We will meet alternately in the mosque and the church. Then, with another half-hour they sit together. "
now want but not all Christians when they go to church there, alternately, the Muslims pray and meet with them to Allah. Also we would like at least when we enter a court house, we say to a divorce hearing, there a Schariarichter meet alternately with a Swiss judge. We do not want, and we also want no EPP Papas, introduce the us. Therefore we would not choose better.
We want a minute to sit together with Muslim men who find it really what's in the Koran, Sura 2223, after which you must beat the women with them, and otherwise do what man wants. "I plead that you do not see Islam as a threat," the man spoke of the EPP. We advocate that you do not elect such men.
It was then a representative of the EDU, which - in addition to the SVP - came to the point and some made it clear to the peaceful Islam, hear what no one wolltel: that the former Koranic verses from the time when Mohammed was still powerless in Mecca, definitely to be revoked apply by the later violent pregnant, to which the faithful of the widespread violence Dschihadreligion called with good reason, as the last will of the prophets.
soon as he has said things in which all the fuss about the absurdity of Islamic Tolerance was performed, was quickly changed the subject, as if nothing had been said about this. Because this vote hit the mark.
The EPP-man alternately goes to church and the mosque, apparently had a sleeper from the audience to life, who introduced himself as a Jew and told him he had just come from Israel from a community where Jews and Muslims in lived together in peace and no one came up with the idea to ban minarets. What no one had the idea to ask how many synagogues as Hezbollah in his opinion, Israel would allow for resolution of the State of Israel? Or how many churches could be built in Saudi Arabia, without religious Muslims in Pakistan the idea they come to light or throw bombs inside?
at the idea of the minarets, which no one has to ban sparked by now all the enthusiasm of the Green Josef for the Christian churches, which are also the minarets in Switzerland - Josef Lang rose in the dialogue with the left into churches - ". who have done much more for the dialogue as the left" Yes, St. Joseph the Greens will soon be a holy picture of St.. John Paul set up at home can be for daily morning prayer. The left-green religion has suddenly no fear more in the church. But Christianity, which is a big problem for the Green Man of God St. Joseph, the violent history of Christianity! Oh, yes, which leaves St. Josef sleep just not quiet. He recognized the danger to Europe. The Crusades and the SVP. Before that, Europe needs to be preserved. Bloss no referendum on the EU! Better a concordat with the ayatollahs ..
short, the alliances are now criss-cross the old differences. There is the Catholic left is not so petty with. Church, if that is only attending on asylum vote for more Muslims in the country. More God's law and more social misery. Since wheat is green, the left and the church is flourishing. At the same time must be St. Joseph, but the SVP historian for the sins of Christians with the associated moral indignation for Islamic religious show among voters and fight the Crusades. connect but no Trauffer too close. For what is a proper left green carnivorous plant so that swallows everything, which makes them fatter. "We have left us an example to attend the churches," says the mullah left. (!) And while we have left to do anything against the Crusades, is not it? Double moralgemoppelt holds better.
Not the churchman is here from the enemy for the green Joseph, einkriegt is no longer out of sheer outrage at the history of Christianity, but the historian of Mörgeli the SVP. Before it is to warn the Swiss people. There's a devil in the back left church, the SVP. And a real savior: Wojtyla. Historical knowledge of Islamic history are the red cloth for the Greens.
As the moderator turns to Mörgeli because he "does not understand" what Mörgeli "said."
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That must be terribly difficult to understand if you are moderator and it all has to do both right and especially the Muslims quite like to make and has always known it that the Left understands more of the true course of history than their opponents.
Moderator Leuthard "means" not at all what does Mörgeli when the violence Islam says. Even the Greens do not understand that. He understands when he hears of violence, only the Crusades.
The moderator let himself to be difficult to illustrate with understanding, think of something that we would have on his mind to doubt if we could believe it is not a method of presentation, with the present Muslims are presented, what a moderate mentally they are. So Leuthard said he would see here a picture of peaceful Muslims that do not agree with what I said Mr. Mörgeli.. Now
had neither wife nor Mrs. Hafner Ilfete in any way, especially on our peaceful, but very militant when they as usual to understand arrogant indicated that none of the Christians who say not the same as the Muslims and their allies in the West, something of Islam understand, but as Mr. Weimer on German television generous and cunning so stupid, brazen, and whether the criticism of Islam enraged apologists like Katajun Amirpur described diplomatically as "charming", called Moderator Leuthard the Islamic female agents and apologists who have no criticism of the really existing and tolerate their apostate murderous religion, "peaceful." As he has so far right, and we are no Muslims in a TV show have seen, there set fire to churches, or calling during the show. A Muslim woman proves it on the spot, how peaceful Islam is and it explains, forced marriage has nothing to do with religion.
Too bad that no one seems to know in the arena, that forced marriage is vorgeschrreiben to all schools of Sharia, the child marriage is legal under Islamic law. But really, the Sharia, there is no idea as us, Ms Amirpur the Press Club of ARD shortly. There are also the Islam it is not so. Why he just makes so much talked about?
such thing as forced marriages taught that peaceful Muslim then the kapituliernde without a fight arena, there is also in Switzerland.
By now it would not be a moderator who understood what had been said, must come up with that in the Switzerland, in fact, forced marriages are, in the Muslim milieu, and the Federal Council does not want it to have an investigation. He prefers to let the rounds of the peaceful Muslim with the usual Islamic-left distractions soap when to intervene against unreasonable demands such as: "In the Koran to be no forced marriage, was unchallenged as served up by Mrs Ilfete. .
But in the Sharia should there not only, but they are the norm as practiced by masses of Islamic law in Sudan to Iran, from Afghanistan to Alba Istan in Switzerland.
Now Mr Afshar also joined to the plate in front of the head of the Muslim, the just right teachings on Swiss and Schariarecht issued had to fix something to reaffirm what has been said and the "Western double standards" to denounce it. For as we all know, the forced marriages are not even Muslim, but Swiss. In Islam, they do not occur, but in Switzerland. As the stoning, which were not according to Afshar of the "prophet" was approved, but of the Jewish Jesus.
If someone had said of the Swiss, one would say he has a screw loose, but the glass front of the head of the Muslim woman is loose not sitting so tight that there is nothing to shake it.
Yeah, that's dependent. to do nothing. First, there is not Islam, second He is peaceful, thirdly, he has no forced marriages, find the fourth place in Switzerland. In fact, according to Christian law.
The moderator said this but not that he had probably misunderstood. Only
Mörgeli asked why there was the forced marriage in Islam then. The woman fell to anything. The disc moves ever had. In contrast to the earth.
dialog carousel is turning in the same direction. On the issue of violence in Islam, the answer follows from the Christian crusade, it is an Islamic scholar and explained that we understood in the West, not Islam, then someone may ask a question to the present Muslim women what they thought of the forced marriages, after which a to this end invited Vorzeigemuslima said they felt free there would not wangs around. Except for the Christians.
Father Trauffer raised then still oppose Afshar jointed trump card of the "Christian double standards," and indicated to the double tongue, so that he knows exactly what he was saying there. The Chalk's voice did not, of course, of which baptism talked and tried to watch as three Seligsinddiesanftmütigen. Except that the wolf under the sheepskin coat as tainted by shining it was even too much Trauffer, despite the common struggle for living out of faith in the minaret.
Trauffer betrayed to the question as he stood near the Muslims, cryptically: "If I meet the Imam (in front of the church, where the planting of Muslims want their bayonets, as Mr Erdogan would say), 'then I come across him as a believer. We can not actually be close enough. " The faith is the Swiss dialect, the only insiders understand. For what the Father has just said? Have we really understood?
So if we sum up the times for our understanding of things, we have understood as much: here are several soup cooked over a fire. At the bottom of the bubbling cauldron of Islam, about how a multi-stage cooking pot stirred the church to their own ends and top over it and browned the left green vegetables, the pot is heated at the church.
we remain hopeful that the brew in the kettle does not explode below.
while I was on a day in a Palace in the middle of Seoul. It was evening, everything was covered in snow n vo and not a soul around. That is, I could explore this wonderful Palace, without of someone to be disturbed. It was not even security, could I rumklettern as I wanted: P Everything was sooo nice and quiet and peaceful, that was really a wonderful evening. Somehow it was time to repair his own and not all the time surrounded by people. Right, therefore, a picture of me in front of a building ah them peace-melancholy expression ^ ^ N the palace I went d 
ann a great place in the area, there was just an art exhibition , somehow a lights festival. That was beautif Hoen, especially because after the palace visit, the whole people running around, like a detached view could look like I was not part of it. In that moment, I still felt somehow preserved in this city. 
Gekeuche ince with a lot: D The view was ... naja .... gray, so it was not the best weather, but has won it worth the run up. We are then not also run up to the top of the tower, w ecause they had no chance anyway. The picture shows me in front of the Tower, but it was not easy to get a picture. To me, the tower had together draufzubekommen namely Moon (one of the Koreans) are quite deep and I had to kneel by the other Koreans (whose name I do not know ...) was raised to be * g * Perhaps an act, but very funny. I had all the fun, what you see in the picture I think, too. After the Seoul Tower, it went as I said to the fish market. There then has a Moon rieeeesen fish bought for sashimi for dinner. I could was to observe how the fish killed and processed into sashimi. Not very appetizing, but nonetheless interesting to see by how well the people in the market with the knife can. In the evening there was farewell party for the same three people: the German Korean, a Korean and I do. Yes, I "had" to continue their journey finally time, I wanted to see more from the land than Seoul. The last evening 
certainly was again very great. Oh, I miss the people from the hostel and had to think of my departure has often to them. The left is a picture of a part of the people and me. Unfortunately, not all of it, but I have almost all photos. 
hiked up a mountain up there because such a famous Buddha statue. 2km walk up stairs, and then I had done quite a bit. I think I must once again play sports, that was really impossible. The most important thing was that I held by it and I have been rewarded with a very good view. Because I was so proud of me, even a great picture of me front of the statue. The descent was then super simple. 
